In 10 Tagen ist es wieder soweiiiiiit! Am 18.01.2026 schmeißen wir zwischen 14 und 18 Uhr alle endo cis Männer aus dem C3D2 Hackerspace und veranstalten den FLINTA-Tag (name change pending)! Es gibt keine übergeordnete Agenda; es geht einfach um ein nettes Vernetzen und Zusammenkommen von technikinteressierten FLINTA-Personen. Dabei ist im Wesentlichen nur wichtig, dass ihr interessiert seid, nicht, dass ihr Expert:innen seid. Kommt gern vorbei und helft dabei, unseren lokalen Hackerspace durch eure Anwesenheit schöner und diverser zu machen
sry will keinen voreiligen stunk machen. aber schmeißt dabei bitte nicht versehentlich trans- oder inter-männers raus nur weil sie vll zu mask passen. unschön wenn sowas passiert. vermutlich soll es ja vorrangig einen safer space für alle nicht-cis-endo-männlichen menschen sein. oder ist es nur für "weiblich gelesene" Personen und "klar erkennbare" GNC-Personen ausgelegt? Ist in RL etwas tricky im dem FLINTA* Begriff. Gerade in eher cis*dominierten Räumen.
FLINTA* - Begriffsproblematik@ada ja, sehe ich genau so, deswegen wollen wir auch den namen des dingsens ändern :) tatsächlich wenn wir uns morgen treffen, wollten leute das machen ^-^
FLINTA* - Begriffsproblematik@star cooli. Daumen hoch dafür! wie gesagt. wollte nicht gemein herummeckern. ich kenn das nur aus einigen cis*weiblichen räumen wo dann trans*mask menschen vor der Tür bleiben mussten. und inter-personen haben die meisten cis-menschen noch weniger auf dem Schirm. hauptsächlich will mensch ja Macker raushalten, da gibts sicher bessere Formulierungen, auch wenn der FLINTA* Begriff tempting ist. Könnte mich selbst in 4-5 der 6 Buchstaben einsortieren.^^
@zenmaya well ig - name of event - place - time are the most important pieces of info. addresses are localized, inferring januar to be january shouldn't be a stunt and the i guess the time is also managable
@zenmaya flinta day means throwing out all cis endo men from the space and then filling it with flinta individuals to chill and talk and idk do stuff, have fun, connect :3
these are all valid points. i guess if you want to keep the information density, you'd be best off translating the entire thing instead, and posting two versions. this poster is a re-imagining of the one that was previously used, and i think it is an improvement in lots of areas, but absolutely not perfect, especially as i do not have a degree in... whatever the degree for UX/UI design is called. but thanks to people like you giving honest feedback, i can take this info, iterate, and make something better and better again
@star@zenmaya It actually would not be the same acronym if translated into English, and it's not used in English either 😅 And how should one figure out what it might mean if one is not deeply into queer feminist terminology, even more so in a different language? I see people asking what "FLINTA" means all the time. So if it's used, I think it would be good to explain – for the audience it should address, for everyone it doesn't, for non (native) German speakers and to reduce ambiguity in general ^^ (Which is also one of the issues I have with the acronym)
@star@zenmaya Yeah but, not everyone can do that at all times. And people are lazy. If they weren't, there wouldn't be questions what it means, all the time (even on the internet) ^^ /lh
@star@zenmaya sorry for being pedantic, but no – "Frau" is "woman" and "female" is "weiblich", those mean different things (even if they do coincide usually, in the gender binary) /lh
@fugi@zenmaya well, sorry for being even more pedantic, HOWEVER COMMA, the word "female" has multiple definitions, both in the dictionary and in common, everyday language use.
female (sex) does, indeed, translate to "weiblich". female (tech) usually refers to the hollow counterpart of a connector. it'd be silly to assume that it'd mean anything other gender related, although, obviously, the word has its meaning from an (outdated, as we all are painfully aware) sex-based definition. female (animal) would most likely translate to something like "Weibchen".
and, last but not least, female (woman) is also a correct and apparently frequently used way to translate "Frau".
@star tho I would have probably missed it if you didn't say so :/ none of the iOS clients seem to support it (for getting notified at least), I might have to do some frickeling
@star@fugi i saw it as "femme" which feels much better tbh, buuuut, also it goes right to the issues i have with flinta, like what about gnc people who identify as men
which are plenty, i just didnt want to go into that discussion
@star@zenmaya Not if they identify as a man. If a person is a cis endo man, and gnc, they would not fall under FLINTA, strictly speaking. Whether that is the intention (of e.g. event organizers) would be a question worth asking. IMO it leads to the conclusion that FLINTA is not a very useful term to use.
@fugi@zenmaya hm. i think this reasoning dissatisfies me, because the reasoning that "it is very loosely defined and therefore likely not a useful term" (if that was what you were trying to say) can be applied to lots of things: "lesbian" for example. i mean, you could likely write an entire book about the discussions about the term, and where its inclusivity begins or ends. "heterosexual" is also defined extremely weirdly throughout the world, but has better definitions in queer circles. but i would not say that these terms aren't useful. we give them meaning through context and our own experiences and conversational intentions. words are just made up
@star@zenmaya the problem is that there is this much potential for arguing about what is included in FLINTA or not, at all. And in reality people will just assume wildly different things, e.g. like we witnessed at Datenspuren