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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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AI Throwing up aiindigo.com/blog/beyond-github-why-developers-are-migrating-to-codeberg-for-ai-projects
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Murphy @murphycoffee@merkel.info
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re: AI @star love how the subtitle randomly ends with a single "t" (which already tells one everything one needs to know about the blogpost already )
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Lilly heart_transgender @lilly@mstd.ink
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AI @star who the fuck decided that dark-gray on black is a good color scheme lol
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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AI @lilly AI probably
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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re: AI @star @lilly it looks like the future to techbros
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Charlotte neodog @Charlotte@rivals.space
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AI @star omg, this 100% looks written by ai, holy
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2something @2something@transfem.social
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AI @star

Hi @Codeberg can you consider banning these people from your platform?
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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AI @2something @Codeberg I don't think there is a paragraph in their "TOS" for that decision to be leaned on I think
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sodiboo pride_heart @sodiboo@gaysex.cloud
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re: AI @star @2something there's a catch-all statement

as well as a general sentiment to "make good use of our limited computing resources" e.g. on ?[this page](<https://docs.codeberg.org/ci/#using-codeberg's-instance-of-woodpecker-ci>) it says "Resource usage must be reasonable". and, uh, AI is anything but. Even GitHub can't keep up with the server needs for all those AI projects. And they're backed by a Corporation with Unlimited Money. I think it seems entirely expected for Codeberg to proactively moderate the kinds of projects that will cause that kind of unprecedented server load.
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2something @2something@transfem.social
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re: AI @sodiboo @star If they can't do it with their existing rules, I hope they change their rules to explicitly prohibit LLMs.
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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re: AI @sodiboo @2something I am unsure but don't the "used resources" refer to Codebergs resources in this instance? That doesn't necessarily change by using AI. Regardless, I think finding loopholes is the wrong move anyway. I would ideally like it that Codeberg forbids projects using generative AI to write/contribute code from the platform, then we don't even need to hinge on this
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sodiboo pride_heart @sodiboo@gaysex.cloud
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AI @star @2something
don't the "used resources" refer to Codebergs resources in this instance?
yes, and my point was that "agentic coding" is creating such immense activity on GitHub that it is exhausting their resources. not just the wastefulness of the LLM itself of the Earth's limited natural resources, but GitHub can't keep up with the load because AI just pushes more activity so much faster.
I think finding loopholes is the wrong move
yeah, i agree. it'd be much better if they have an explicit clause to turn away "Agentic-first" repos.

especially because i think it fits right in with their existing messaging, and also their social role as "GitHub but not shit". people such as myself are moving away from GitHub to platforms like codeberg because, among other reasons, all the vibe coders are there, causing the network effect to act in reverse. it'd suck to see Codeberg not turn away this thing that drove me away from the other plattform.
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Cyborus @Cyborus@social.cartoon-aa.xyz
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RE: AI @star this would be the funniest time for them to vote to ban vibe-coded projects from the platform
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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RE: AI @Cyborus @star hopefully they actually ban all slop rather than adopting the typical centrist policy of "mmmm see if you disclose it and say youre responsible for the code its ok 😃". pls less of that and more of unapologetic good ethical stances
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Cyborus @Cyborus@social.cartoon-aa.xyz
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RE: AI @hsza @star please!!!!!!!!
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Cyborus @Cyborus@social.cartoon-aa.xyz
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RE: AI @star @hsza like that's basically "no slop unless you say 'nah'." makes no sense, fingers mega crossed they do better
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2something @2something@transfem.social
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RE: AI @hsza @star @Cyborus

Certain foss maintainers: Why do you care what tools were used used to generate code? It all gets reviewed in the same way.

Also certain foss maintainers: Banning llms is too restrictive, so we require you to disclose llm usage.

I could sort of vaguely wrap my head around one of these claims in isolation, but they two of them together are contradictory. Why do you want AI usage "disclosed" if you aren't going to do anything with that information?
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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RE: AI @hsza @Cyborus Codeberg e.V. is a democratically structured organization, and actually one of the votes on the next annual assembly (in less than a month) would be "Vote to add a paragraph to Terms of Use about prohibiting vibe-coded projects". So, now is a good time to consider joining the organization and then using your right to have a say in how things should be done! blobcat
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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RE: AI @star @Cyborus joining the organization is unfortunately paywalled and dox-yourself-walled and thus inaccessible to me and many others
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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RE: AI @star @Cyborus ^^ and i think this should be considered a bigger deal. "pay up and give up PII or be excluded and denied transparency" is not very democratic.
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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RE: AI @hsza @Cyborus It is this way because German law mandates it. Apart from the fee (which can be reduced to €12/year), I don't think there is anything Codeberg can do here, unfortunately.
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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RE: AI @star @Cyborus fair enough, it would be good to have more transparency towards the rest of the public though. when u want to know whats going on within the project and all you get is radio silence + "become a member or too bad" thats a little disheartening
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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RE: AI @hsza @Cyborus I too brought this up in the Matrix chat today, and I now more empathize with their desire to keep some things org-internal, i.e. "members only". That doesn't mean members cannot talk about it publicly, but I think it makes sense to have a space that is a little protected from what outsiders may (sometimes purposefully) misunderstand
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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RE: AI @star @Cyborus natural complete transparency is how projects in the FOSS space are held grounded and accountable and to be intentionally withholding that does not feel right

of course discussions being misinterpreted and stirring up unnessesary drama is a valid concern but denying transparency with that as the reason is adjacent in spirit to "if we make our project open source, someone might fork it! the horror!". like, its kinda just par for the course, something u deal with that keeps u in check and away from becoming detached from the community
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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RE: AI @hsza @Cyborus I believe you are exaggerating a little. Codeberg has a very healthy and broad membership base so to imply that there is no or little accountability is just wrong given for how long this org has already existed and improved not just itself but the projects within and the community around it as well
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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RE: AI @star @Cyborus ik its working out fine, and its a net good for the ecosystem, but again, the current system leaves me a little disheartened when i think about it, even if its the best they're legally and realistically able to maintain
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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RE: AI @star @Cyborus regardless, hopefully the definition of "vibe coded" in there is as broad as can be
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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AI @star ew ew ew ew ew

codeberg needs to ban genai on its platform, honestly...
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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AI @star if any codeberg ev members see this, please start internal discussions!
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i’m Mi @mi@awawa.cat
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AI It’s not a real article, just an article about current trends prompted as directed at a vague “AI developer“ who is torn between not wanting LLMs to be trained on what’s theirs code (an oddly wrong-buzzword-hyprocrite vibe coder) and hosting LLM blobs they trained themselves (experimentator / llm researcher / script kiddie). This is not even a bait, it’s just a meaningless piece of slop
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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AI @mi i anyways think codeberg should ban slop x3
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i’m Mi @mi@awawa.cat
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AI Start saying that after every larger piece of speech or prose that you deliver
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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AI @mi what do you mean?
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i’m Mi @mi@awawa.cat
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AI en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthago_delenda_est
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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AI @mi heheh :3
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Navi blobCat_real therian (not at GPN/XXc3/etc.) @navi@catcatnya.com
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re: AI @lumi @star iirc these discussions already exist + imo:
You must only share content on Codeberg which you have the explicit right under copyright and other laws to share under the legal terms with which the content is made available on Codeberg.
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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re: AI @navi @star it would be nice if it were more explicit

plus a notice that the project condemns genai would be great too
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Navi blobCat_real therian (not at GPN/XXc3/etc.) @navi@catcatnya.com
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re: AI @lumi @star again, iirc discussions for this exist. afaik there are Codeberg e.V. members that are heavily against the AI shite too
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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re: AI @navi @star good to hear it! then this is a call upon all codeberg ev members that are against genai seeing this to make their voices heard

one day i will be a codeberg ev member, as well x)
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pride moth stella⭐ @stellavie@tech.lgbt
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re: AI @lumi @star we need a web of trust, a decentralised schufa type of thing to discourage people for gushing out ai slop
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pride moth stella⭐ @stellavie@tech.lgbt
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re: AI @lumi @star at least it should be the standard, of course there can still be places for the sloppers but dont shove it in the general unassuming public's face
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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re: AI @stellavie @star and not on platforms that try to be ethical
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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re: AI @stellavie @star what's schufa?

and i believe we can combine that with vetting software, like with crev. too bad crev became slopware...

having web-of-trust-powered dependency vetting would be really nice
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pride moth stella⭐ @stellavie@tech.lgbt
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re: AI @lumi @star financial credibility company in germany. if u dont pay ur subscription u lose credit score.
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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re: AI @stellavie @star how would this be done for genai?
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pride moth stella⭐ @stellavie@tech.lgbt
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re: AI @lumi @star idk the technical details. I assume just by reporting (voting) and putting evidence on a cryptgraphic verifiable instrument like a blockchain.

trustpilot/virustotal but decentralized and for projects?
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🌸 lumi-nhac catbite no_ai antifa 🌱 @lumi@snug.moe
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re: AI @stellavie @star i feel that overcomplicates things, i think just having some no-ai lists would be fine
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Lyn@GPN24 📞 ACOW @fugi@amazonawaws.com
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AI @star what the heck, this all sounds so stupid
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k1ba @k1ba@wafrn.k1ba.eu
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re: AI @star

Ah yes, AI projects are switching to codeberg because… It doesn't have as many unwanted AI features as github?? Did nobody ever read this post before it was published, or do they just not care about the obvious cognitive dissonance?
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