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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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Considering placing an order for a Framework Laptop 13 Pro
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star please do not fall into the same trap that literally all of my friends that own a framework did.

The way we like to describe it, the reason framework is repairable is because things will be breaking a lot randomly for absolutely no reason while running hot as shit.

Sure, this is a laptop that isn't out yet, but this has been pretty consistent with their past releases. Disregarding the fact, of course, that they fund an actual racist, while not giving a penny to projects that are literally on their website, like Krita.
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star and before you say it, I'm not bringing up the racism because all other companies are perfect. I'm bringing it up because framework positions themselves as an morally better alternative*, while quadrupling down on supporting this racist.

* after all, they are a big proponent of the right to repair movement, which is fundamentally about the morals of not allowing you to own and repair your devices.
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star

But regardless of all that, you're paying a pretty hefty price tag for a device that continues to have design defects and common issues that aren't fixed with later revisions. Like the overheating problems, like the terrible fan curves, like the fact that things constantly break from no reason.
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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@alexia Well, no, I'd be paying for a device which, as you said, "isn't out yet", and is supposed to be a major redesign fixing the flaws that the 13 had, not to speak of the god awful 12
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star fair but because the device isn't out yet, you also can't know if they've actually fixed those issues.

For all we know, they could be pulling a Volkswagen testing moment
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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@alexia Yes but then again what's the alternative
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star I mean if your is just modularity, MNT is there for you, or dell which IIRC also has a framework-esque modular device

what I am questioning though is whether you...need a modular laptop in the first place. I mean yes it has utility but...is it enough utility to justify the price tag over just getting another high-end laptop that has an ok repairability score? Would a device with good I/O not be enough?
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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@alexia Having the ability to upgrade my laptop in 5 years sounds pretty sweet, I am not going to lie. The Dell one I don't trust. Who knows how long they are keeping that around for. It's also just as expensive, if not more so
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star I mean, those upgrades are also locked-in to Framework's ecosystem, so if you buy in, you'll put a huge switching cost on yourself should you ever decide that the device wasn't actually for you, because now a motherboard upgrade that would've been idk, 700€ would become a whole laptop upgrade which will (judging from what ur willing to spend) more like 1500-2000€
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star we also haven't seen what Framework does once a chassis is "done", as in, no longer manufactured or supported

like, what happens to the FW13 when the FW13P hits? how long will they provide upgrades for that thing after the Pro releases? just another question in regards to longevity and viability of this upgradable laptop idea
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star the reason it works for desktops is because ATX, ITX etc are all standardized, after all
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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@alexia Yes but on Desktop your Mainboard also only is good for like 2-3 CPU generations if you are lucky. After that, you are looking at a RAM+Mainboard+CPU upgrade. That's just computers under capitalism
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star I mean even then RAM and PCI-E and all that are standardized interfaces; Yes with revisions that aren't always backwards-compatible but that's still miles ahead of even what Framework is doing, which boils down to either also a full-mainboard swap or standardized but uncommon formats (like their SODIMM replacement which I forgot the name of, or their proprietary upgradable GPU thingy for the FW16)

it's a bunch of novel in-house specifications that I fear will hinder upgradability down the line
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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@alexia LPCAMM2 is just new, but is definitely the way forward for replaceable laptop memory for any manufacturer
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