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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos chaos computer club dresden, where repeatedly re-affirming your threats of actual violence against a visibly trans individual is being "excellent to another" 🔥🔥🔥🔥

but no one who in any position to do so gives enough of a shit to actually do something about it and show the offender any sort of consequence
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t3sserakt @t3sserakt@c3d2.social
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Threats of violence. Conflict within a group. @star I don’t mean to downplay what happened at all! The claim that no one is doing anything really hits close to home for me. One of our board members is trans, and the board is working closely and trustingly. There are problems, but there are people at C3D2 who care about this. Please excuse my self-centered perspective; I simply don’t want to be lumped together with behaviors that I’ve been speaking out against and moderating for years, without resorting to authoritarian measures. I don't want that either, on behalf of those who care about this as well. Such an authoritarian behavior would run counter to the C3D2’s core values in the same way the problems are against those core values. The people who make up the C3D2 must work together to solve these problems.
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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Threats of violence. Conflict within a group. @t3sserakt [This is only a partial response, a full, proper response might come later]
I disagree in the sense that the Unvereinbarkeitserklärung loses all meaning if it isn't being sufficiently upheld. It has become abundantly clear—to me, and to many others who have been independently observing the events as they unfolded—that overall, the C3D2 is not a safe place to be for members of one or more vulnerable communities.

I can most definitely empathize with what you are expressing; that this hits close to home for you, and that the original post risks lumping you, as a board member, together with other individuals. I absolutely see that you are trying hard to fight the metaphorical fires and work towards the C3D2 being a friendly and respectful environment. And I am genuinely grateful for all of your contributions to this cause, as they have been constructive and sometimes even the only thing that stopped a situation from escalating further. Thank you for that.

But at the same time, I feel that there is a problem here that cannot be solved by talking it out or letting it go away. The sheer amount of bad-faith misrepresentations and spreading of villainizing misinformation about me and the QueerFem group at large, to me, cannot be explained through these individuals having a reasonable problem with me or us that can solved through constructive dialogue.

This is, without a doubt targeted harassment fueled by some bizarre form of hatred. And I simply cannot help but point out that, in my honest opinion, not nearly enough has happened to combat this.
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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Threats of violence. Conflict within a group. @t3sserakt (This has turned out to actually become a full response despite what I wrote when I started writing this)
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aura @aura@gts.foxsnuggl.es
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @star this is unsurprising (but also vague enough - as most chaos drama - that i'm not gonna pretend i'm fully understanding what's the fuck is happening beyond... "this is fine" meme)
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aura @aura@gts.foxsnuggl.es
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @star chaos really doing the best to showcase all the failure modes of anarchism
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @aura this is true. and at the same time, i think chaos is still something very valuable and helpful that is worth the time and energy spent trying to improve it
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aura @aura@gts.foxsnuggl.es
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @star on one hand, yeah

on the other, i'm so ready to see a better attempt at spaces that prioritizes the bits people like without turning into a 6 hours of debates anarchism squat meme. i'm not good at that, or being social at all (last time i went to a hackspace i spent half an hour in the quiet room and then fucked off) but i’d love to see it.
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aura @aura@gts.foxsnuggl.es
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @star not exactly an anti-chaos position. more of a pro alternatives one.

my experiences are way too second-hand heavy to have a stronger opinion, yet so numerous that it's impossible to ignore.
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @aura I can very much empathize and I wholeheartedly agree with the stance of "not anti-chaos but pro-alternatives"
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Ity Kitty @tranquillity@mastodon.minionflo.net
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @star @aura I'd say chaos is beyond saving, but I'm also usually overly pessimistic

I'm glad we have a space where queers can go to to gather, but I wish we had a space that was by and for queers, not a space ran by cis men pretending that chaos is a safe space for trans entities. Kinda holds for all chaos spaces imo, tho I've never been to the one in Dresden.
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zivi @hsza@social.tudbut.de
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re: :boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @aura @star what's it have to do with anarchism exactly
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aura @aura@gts.foxsnuggl.es
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re: :boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @hsza @star i'd rather not get involved in a discussion about definitions of anarchism and whether or not parts of chaos (and if so, which) are “truly” anarchist, just anarchist-coded or neither because it doesn't actually matter.

i don't think the comparison is too vague to understand what mechanisms i'm talking about though. self-organized structures with (supposed) low individualized power failing to live up to standards (to their local members or even each other) because making a space not suck is not a free lunch that comes with a set of ideals.
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fluffboy neofox_floof_explode verified_cat @goes2hard@labyrinth.zone
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re: :boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @aura @star whaddyou mean by showing all the failure modes of anarchism? /genq
if you have some ready made text/vent/yapthread about it I can read that too in case you don't feel like elaborating, but I encourage you to do so, I'm curious :3
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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re: :boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @goes2hard @aura This post might be a worth looking at: fed.amazonawaws.com/notes/alae4sj44286t5as
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fluffboy neofox_floof_explode verified_cat @goes2hard@labyrinth.zone
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re: :boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @star @aura ye ye thx :3 I did notice it after posting that comment.
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @aura yeah it's... sort of impossible to put this all onto fedi, because i'd have to write a whole blogpost about it given all the context and how many references/excerpts from chats i'd have to attach. bweh

but yeah
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fluffboy neofox_floof_explode verified_cat @goes2hard@labyrinth.zone
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re: :boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @star @aura tbh if you ever get the energy to do it pls post, might help a bunch of individuals who see it to evaluate at how they plan on engaging or not engaging with the space as a result, might help with making some a little safer
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flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking made-with-estrogen verifiedlesbian @star@amazonawaws.com
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos and someone in the matrix chat reads a message from me complaining about it, and decides the best response is telling me to shut the fuck up because i am "talking bullshit"
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the problematic(tm) arson đź“ž JADE @ GPN24 @awoo@gts.apicrim.es
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:boost_requested: vent, c3d2 pissheads, chaos @star seems like every single* saxon hackerspace has something against trans people in particular neobot_explode​

*stated until proven otherwise
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