:Celeste_transbian: flori_ava_star:~:cursor_blinking::badge-petting-encouraged: :badge-biting-allowed: (@star)

Gnome hatred very often has similar energy to prejudice towards marginalized groups. You have an entity that you strongly dislike the aesthetic of which is popular apparently only because corporations are pushing it, something that has “infiltrated the space” and you blame every single problem you have on it and want it gone.

If you don’t like gnome this doesn’t necessarily mean you fall into this category, everyone has preferences, but in general I think there is very clear reason why the desktop wars are inhabited so densely by right wing freaks who do nothing but sit on discord and run fastfetch

Not to mention the appropriation of KDEs work into something that somehow represents them in this ideological battle. Bro, log off you literally can’t write hello world in C from memory, like what are you doing with your time talking this big game about how gnome and KDE should conduct themselves

@kolunmi I think this is where the post breaks down for me. I disagree with the notion that criticism can or should only be made by individuals who have domain-specific knowledge, which is what this response implies to me. And it's not at all required for the rest of your argument to make sense; you could, as an example, replace that part with a comment about how it's pointless to act like this in bad faith instead of what it currently says and the rest of the reply would still make sense

@star first, to be clear, programming is just one of the domains of expertise that a FOSS project is built upon, others include design and promotion, translations, etc

However, I stand by the notion that domain specific criticism requires domain specific experience to be valuable, especially if such criticism is to be abusive. Let me give you an example: “gtk is horrible and bloated to write applications in”: if the person saying this is unfamiliar with what gtks responsibilities are, has never written a line of code using gtk, will never contribute anyway, and most importantly doesnt have even a semblance of a clue of what to do to improve gtk or how to go about making a gui toolkit at all, then yeah, sorry, I don’t care. They are a prick and just wasting everyone’s time

If you have a usability issue, that’s a different story and some of the same nuance applies, but that’s not what I’m talking about in that comment and I’m sorry that I wasn’t more clear/specific. Overall, I’m a believer that good vibes go a long way. I love asking for feedback on bazaar and I want everyone to be happy using it. I think everyone can have awesome ideas for UX and implementing these and seeing people be happy about it is part of the magic of open source. But the moment that you start shit talking, all that goes away and what is left is your credentials, and I’m not afraid to throw that in your face

@kolunmi

I stand by the notion that domain specific criticism requires domain specific experience to be valuable

Well, if you are an outsider trying to get acquainted with the topic, then you don't have much or any domain specific experience, but still might have valuable criticisms. Specifically that is the part I take issue with.