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celeste_hearts_lesbianceleste_hearts_transceleste_hearts_demisexual flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking @star@amazonawaws.com
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years of work invested into plausible deniability, yet no court case using chat logs from such messengers as evidence being influenced by that property, seemingly ever?
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[4FBB09] @5225225@furry.engineer
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@star yeahhh

i mean it's probably a good property to have if you can avoid having absolute cryptographic proof that you said something

but also yes it's not a get out of jail free card as shown by "people can get arrested for text messages, letters, phone calls" (though i assume court cases exist where someone did say something can be influenced by a strong enough argument that "actually they didn't say that")
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celeste_hearts_lesbianceleste_hearts_transceleste_hearts_demisexual flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking @star@amazonawaws.com
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@5225225 actually i read 2 whole papers on this topic which concluded that actually, no, even in cases where the crypto deniability prop was brought up, it did not majorly influence the case petsymposium.org/popets/2025/popets-2025-0018.pdf This is one of them I could find in my browser history. It's a really interesting read IMO, and I... rarely read papers
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celeste_hearts_lesbianceleste_hearts_transceleste_hearts_demisexual flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking @star@amazonawaws.com
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@5225225 additional note: "i read two papers claiming otherwise" != "i am an expert" or "this is definitely true" but,, yeah, i just wanted to share what i know
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[4FBB09] @5225225@furry.engineer
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@star "have cryptographic deniability and let people just straight up rewrite (their local view) of the conversation" is a fun solution

(skimmed the paper but that seems to be the approach, along with considering if people actually want deniability)
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celeste_hearts_lesbianceleste_hearts_transceleste_hearts_demisexual flori_ava_star:~cursor_blinking @star@amazonawaws.com
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i guess the point is: you are the most important part of your opsec
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Alexia makko_bnuuy @alexia@starlightnet.work
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@star ...and your chatting partners; Courts often use the other sides chat-logs if they don't have yours
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[4FBB09] @5225225@furry.engineer
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@alexia @star so i guess "auto-deleting messages are cool and good to encourage better data hygiene (yes you can screenshot them, the point is to not accidentally leave incriminating shit around)"

and also if you can avoid talking about crime with an identity that's linked to you, maybe do that. though that's hard and signal has no provisions for that and most things that do have that property don't have as good crypto as signal so pick your poison
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